Title: common-wagons-msg
Subject: Tips on sharing wagons and hand carts to haul supplies from the cars to camp.
Author: Mark S. Harris
Keywords: SCA, event, wagon, sharing, no-parking, haul, unload

common-wagons-msg - 12/17/11

Tips on sharing wagons and hand carts to haul supplies from the cars to camp.

NOTE: See also the files: carts-msg, Dog-Carts-art, p-backpacks-msg, SCA-transport-msg, SCA-by-train-msg, wheelbarrows-msg, cmp-courteses-art.

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Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:56:40 +1000
From: Yseult de Lacy / Chris Robertson
	<yseult_de_lacy at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Ow
To: The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list <lochac at lochac.sca.org>

On 2/05/2011 8:45 PM, Anwyn Davies wrote:
<<< [Non-local Festival attendees] don't know how hard it is to keep from weeping when you know you have limited energy reserves left [after driving 20 hours], and now you have to dig into those reserves to go find a cart, let alone make use of it. >>>

Yes, that's a right bummer.  And the carts are great, and there should 
be more of them.  And there could be.

How about every group with a significant presence at Festival has a go 
at constructing a cart for Festival that is at least not obviously and 
horribly modern for next year, with a prize donated by me for the best 
one?   They would become a fixture at Festival, and preferably stored on 
site.  (Alfar?  Is there room in the shipping container?)  This would 
mean that the best designs would be at least partially take-down -- 
sides (with wheels?) separable from the body for storage.

With a couple of carts always there by the Gatewards' tent, unpacking 
into 'em and hauling 'em away would be less stressful.

--Yseult

Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 22:07:53 +1000
From: Paul Sleigh <bat at flurf.net>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Ow
To: "The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Yseult suggested:
<<< With a couple of carts always there by the Gatewards' tent, unpacking into
'em and hauling'em away would be less stressful. >>>

With big flags on them, like the ones on children's bicycles, so it's
possible to see where they are from a distance.

: Bat :

Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 23:00:05 +0930
From: "Anwyn Davies" <anwyn at internode.on.net>
Subject: [Lochac] Useful ideas (I hope)
To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

Way back in the mists of time, when I was a young broke Collegian, I was
able to go to my second Festival because Lyradana set me up to work in the
Greasyspoone. As well as making some great friends, and writing a song that
still gets sung every so often, I was fed for the whole weekend. I had a
tiny tent somewhere, and just enough garb to get me through the event, and
maybe $50 spending money. And I had an absolute ball. Worked like a dog, but
had a ball, and I have exceedingly fond memories of it. I don't function so
well on 9 hours sleep in four days any more, but I'd still love to do it
again.

So here's a thought. There are a lot of Collegians, and other young,
new-to-the-SCA people with not a lot of cash, but a lot of enthusiasm. So
maybe we can combine the two.

For example - would people be prepared to pay $10 per cartful to Careful
Josephus's Cart Moving Service, conveniently located by the Gate? Careful
Josephus's fully trained young minions will load all your belongings onto a
cart and push/pull the cart to your campsite, where they guarantee not to
tip all your stuff on the ground, but instead carefully unload it. Thus
ensuring that there is always help, the carts come back, and maybe some
Collegians make enough money to help them afford the travel to and from
Festival. Some of the money to going to making new carts, some of it going
to the people doing the work. And people arriving after no-cars-on-site don't
need to expend energy they may not have to get stuff lugged up. And, of
course, Careful Josephus would promise not to hike the prices up on Monday
and Tuesday. Maybe Careful Josephus would be a student collective, who
knows?

Or, if Yseult and I joined forces and set up the Griffin and Lambtree Inn?
Her tents, my cooking, you get a tent with camp bed and bedding, a chair to
sit on, plate, bowl, cup and spoon (you'll have your own knife of course),
three meals a day and no washing up - how much would people pay for that?
And how hard would it be for us to get four or five enthusiastic but broke
people to put in four hours work a day in return for room and board? We'd
need a third partner to be the ox cart driver to get things to and from
site; anyone want in?

We could then get ambitious, so people can go the negotiated-ahead-of-time
luxury route - Careful Josephus will have your car met at the Gate at
Oh-My-God-O'Clock when you arrive, your car will be unloaded, and you will
be directed to the Griffin and Lambtree Inn, where you can have a hot drink
and then a nap until morning, while the Careful Josephus minions take all
your belongings to the camp site, set up one of your tents, and get your
gear under shelter. The following morning you are awakened by your hot
beverage of choice and are greeted by the Careful Josephus minions who will
then help you set up your tents where you actually want them.

Any other ideas? Any one else who isn't already going to be running twenty
different things at Festival want to get involved?

Blod

Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rosie <rosie_0801 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Carts
To: lochac at lochac.sca.org

Ok, so I've never been to Festival, but is there a reason older children of localish people can't be assigned to carts. Even if they aren't big enough to push a loaded cart, they could trot along with the arriving traveler and bring the cart back. 

Just a thought,
Nawojka

Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:21:16 +1000
From: "Rosalind Mearns" <rosalind_mearns at bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: [Lochac] Carts
To: "'The Shambles: the SCA Lochac mailing list'"
	<lochac at lochac.sca.org>

I've also been thinking that there's an business opportunity for someone
with a horse and cart here.  A horse and cart would be period.  For those
who arrive after 'cars off site' it would be a way of getting their gear to
their campsite without having to lug it all by hand or drive onto site.  You
could also offer rides up to the car park.  This would save people from
having to walk all that way and might encourage fewer cars to park near the
gate.  I'd also imagine that a horse and cart would be easier to spot than a
hand-drawn cart if people wanted to use it.

Of course, I can see some problems with this.  First of all, to make it
worthwhile for someone to go to all this effort, I'd expect they'd need to
charge a fee for the service.  Also, I don't imagine the operator would have
a very enjoyable Festival as they'd need to stay close to their horse and
cart so people could find them.  Glenworth Valley might also have issues and
you'd want to be sure the horse wouldn't shy at the quad bikes if it was
going anywhere near the road.

Unfortunately, I don't have a horse and cart so I can't offer to put my plan
into action.

Annabelle Perrot

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