p-markets-msg – 10/22/06
Medieval markets.
NOTE: See also the files: commerce-msg, occupations-msg, p-spice-trade-msg, silk-road-msg, Med-Merchants-CA, coins-msg, fairs-msg.
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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:23:48 -0700
From: "Wanda Pease" <wandap at hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to
Estrella...
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> We are starting to call "merchants row" the more period term of
>> "market"
> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"?
>
> De
Um... Newmarket, Haymarket areas in London, as well as town names. Market
Platz and market square is still a fairly common designation in German and
English villages. I spent some time in the old Marktplatz in Frankfurt, GE
when we were stationed there. The OED seems to date it back to Anglo-Saxon
times.
"I. A place at which trade is conducted.
1. a. A meeting or gathering together of people for the purchase and
sale of provisions or livestock, publicly displayed, at a fixed time and
place; the occasion or time of this. Also: the people gathered at such a
meeting. Freq. with article omitted after to, from, and at. Also fig. or in
figurative context.
high market Obs., the time when the market is busiest.
lOE Anglo-Saxon Chron. (Laud) anno 963 Ic wille at markete beo in e selue
tun. lOE Anglo-Saxon Chron. (Laud) (Peterborough contin.) anno 1125
c1275 Kentish Serm. in J. Hall Sel. Early Middle Eng. (1920) I. 220 So ha
kam into e Marcatte so he fond werkmen et were idel. 1340 Ayenbite 215 God
nele nat et me maki his hous marcat. c1400 (?a1300) King Alexander (Laud)
1513 A temple was in e markat of T[e]ruagaunt. c1477 CAXTON tr. Hist. Jason
79 They began a bataile upon the market. 1521 in J. W. Clay Testamenta
Eboracensia (1902) VI. 4 A howse in the marketh. 1587 A. FLEMING et al.
Holinshed's Chron. (new ed.) III. 1186/1 The tolboth in the market of Durham
all of stone. 1656 A. COWLEY Isaiah XXXIV in Pindaric Odes v, Then shall the
Market and the Pleading-place Be Choakt with Brambles and oregrown with
grass. "
Regina
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:27:00 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to
Estrella...
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Market derives from the Latin "mercatus" whose root, "merc-" means
merchandise. The mercatus was a public place for the buying and selling of
goods, usually trade of foodstuffs that could not be produced in town for
goods that could not be produced in the country. All Roman cities had an
area that served as a market and the concept and terminology was transferred
into Roman Europe.
The greatest of the Roman markets, the Mercatus Traiani, was
completed about 110 CE and is the first of the megamart super malls.
http://www.roman-empire.net/tours/rome/trajans-market.html
Bear
> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"?
>
> De
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:39:24 -0500
From: "otsisto" <otsisto at socket.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"``
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
From my understanding of market is that it is a place of food produce
vendors and the non food vendor areas were called bazaars.
In England there were specific places established for the "market" (boroughs
[?]) Fish market, meat market...
Somewhat like Faire means that you have livestock present for buying and
selling and the festival for celebration.
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:22:15 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"`` RE: Some Antirians go to
Estrella...
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
One place to look without getting into all the economic literature
about markets and economics would be to take a look at the history
section in the Yale University Press book
The British Market Hall A Social and Architectural History by
James Schmiechen and Kenneth Carls
While the book talks about the building of the halls, it talks about
the markets that were in place prior to the buildings.
Johnnae
Regina wrote:
> Um... Newmarket, Haymarket areas in London, as well as town names.
> snipped The OED seems to date it back to Anglo-Saxon
> times."I. A place at which trade is conducted.
>> What is the documentation for the use of the term "market"? De
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> We are starting to call "merchants row" the more period term of
>> "market"
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:56:32 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] define" market"``
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
The Medieval usage of market is the most common of modern usages, "a public
gathering for buying and selling mechandise." While markets were used to
sell food stuffs from the country in town, they were not limited to that
purpose. The great fairs of Medieval Europe were market fairs where one
could buy goods from all over Europe, food, textiles, spice, pins, pots,
etc. While livestock was sold at fairs, more livestock was sold to the city
slaughterhouses.
Specialized markets (fish, meat, etc.) were opened in some towns to isolate
noxious odors and provide general access to specialized services such as
river piers. Some of the market streets occurred because guilds tended to
group into a single parish for mutual support centered around the church
that served the guild members.
Boroughs are essentially townships. They began in Medieval times as a group
of fortified houses that were granted special rights and privileges.
Modernly, they are municipal corporations with privileges such as self
government or they are a district which sends a member to Parliment.
A bazaar is a market street of stalls and shops most commonly in the Middle
East. The word derives from Persian into the Italian "bazarro." The
earliest usage of the word in English I am aware of is from Haklyut
in 1599.
Bear
>> From my understanding of market is that it is a place of food produce
> vendors and the non food vendor areas were called bazaars.
> In England there were specific places established for the "market"
> (boroughs [?]) Fish market, meat market...
> Somewhat like Faire means that you have livestock present for
> buying and selling and the festival for celebration.
>
> What was the Medieval use of the term "market"?
>
> De
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:22:13 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Markets
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Came across another book that I should have mentioned
when the discussion was happening regarding markets.
Since it deals with aspects of foods and has pretty pictures,
here it is:
Painting and the Market in Early Modern Antwerp by Elizabeth
Alice Honing. Yale University Press, 1998.
Johnnae
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