Title: fabric-painting-msg
Subject: Fabric painting in the SCA and period.
Author: Edited by Mark S. Harris
Last saved by: Mark S. Harris
Keywords: fabric, paint, banner, decoration, stencil, medieval

fabric-paint-msg - 7/13/99

Fabric painting in the SCA and period.

NOTE: See also the files: applique-msg, embroidery-msg, emb-blackwork-msg, beadwork-msg, banners-msg, tapestries-msg.

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From: dalton at ea.net (Nancy Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval
Subject: Re: Silk Banners
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:59:11 GMT

david_key at vnet.ibm.com (Dave Key) wrote:
>>Dave, can you please provide the source citation for this 
>>information? A number of good folk local to the Barony of the 
>>Steppes are seeking to increase their documentation of the use of 
>>painted fabric "in period".

There is another book that discusses painting fabrics:

The Crafsman's Handbook "Il Libro dell' Arte"
by Cennino dAndrea Cennini and translated by Daniel V. Thompson, Jr.
LOC catalog card #: 54-3194

It is an instruction book for artists on several subjects some of
which are block printing on fabrics and painting wall hangings.
It was originally published in Italian in 1437.

I bought it on a whim and found it more useful than I'd dared to hope.

Nancy Dalton
aka Earnwynn van Zwaluwenburg

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: cathal at netcom.com (James Pratt)
Subject: Re: Silk Banners
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:31:13 GMT

Cathal to All, Greetings:

        On the subject of "painted" fabrics as decoration let me
recommend the following:

        _Painted Tapestry and its application to Interior Decoration_
        Julien Gordon
        London, Spotteswoode & CO., 1885 (?)

        My copy was damaged ( at #$%) before I purchased it and the
illustrations were removed.  However most of the text is intact
with the sections on tools and technique complete.

        The book itself was used as a text in the National Art
Taining School in London for the 1889-90 session as is testified by
the "student" ticket which was pasted into the cover.  BTW
the cost of the course (which lasted five months and met five days
each week) was. . .1 pound and two shillings.

Salve,
Cathal Mac Edan na faeled
Barony of the South Downs, Meridies
(James Pratt, Atlanta, GA USA)

From: david_key at vnet.ibm.com (Dave Key)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca,soc.history.medieval
Subject: Re: Silk Banners
Date: 19 Aug 1996 08:10:28 GMT
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd.

dalton at ea.net (Nancy Dalton) writes:
>Dave, can you please provide the source citation for this information? 

Whilst I do agree that Cennini is one of the most importatnt sources
for painting a banner ... the actual request for source
info was for a specific painted standard from Ghent (unfortunately the
relevant text seems to have got lost).

Sorry for the delay ... the Ghent standard was painted by Agnes van den 
Bossche & is in the Bijlokemuseum in Ghent. The source I got was from 
C.Harbison, 'The Art of the Northern Renaissance'
pub. Everyman 1995 (ISBN 0297 83362 6)

Unfortunately the only detail is a photo and footnotes ... does anyone have
more info on whether the museum has published details ???

There may well be more info on the Burgundian flags captured by the Swiss
in the 1470's in Deuchler's 'Die Burgunderbeute' 1963. I'm still waiting for this to come through on the inter-library loan system.

Dave

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:34:18 -0700
From: Heather Senkler <wl835 at victoria.tc.ca>
Subject: Re: Info on banners needed

On 17 Apr 1998, Gyelle wrote:
> I want to make a standard and some pennants.  Does anyone have suggestions for
> the best paints or dyes to use?
> 
> Gyelle

If you are not looking for period dyes or paints, I have used craft-store
fabric paints with great sucess. Just be sure that the paint is in fact
opaque. (I had my "red" and "green" show through once before I changed
brands.) My current stash of 14 colours is mostly Palmer Prism acrylic
permanent water-reducible paint. You can find similar stuff at any
Lewiscraft or Michaels.

My three-year-old war banner still looks sharp!

Lady Ekatarina Borisovna,
Chatelaine of Seagirt,
An Tir

Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:50:27 -0800
From: Eleanor of Leycestershyre <hekav at gte.net>
To: SCA Arts & Sciences <sca-arts at listproc.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: Stencils...(somewhat OOP)

I found this site which has some interesting stencils for mailorder.
Check out the Medieval Magic and Architectural Elements.  I can think of
lots of fun ways these could be used in dressing up one's encampment,
and other things!

http://www.dresslerstencils.com/products_catalog/products_catalog.cfm

Eleanor

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:11:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Grace Morris <gmorris at cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: Re: Italian Ren and fabric painting?

On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Jenne Heise wrote:
> Question: I know  that decorating fabric by painting or stamping is period
> for some times and places. Would painting on fabric be an appropriate
> decoration for an Italian Renaissance-style masquerade gown?
>
> Jadwiga Zajaczkowa (Shire of Eisental; HERMS Cyclonus), mka Jennifer Heise
> jenne at tulgey.browser.net

Many of the extant examples of block printing and painting on fabric are
from this time period.  Since the intent is to imitate more expensive
fabrics, the designs are not pictorial but look "woven".  It would seem
to me entirely logical to use just these techniques for a "temporary"
garment.

Jessmayn di Piemonte

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:02:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Grace Morris <gmorris at cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us>
To: sca-arts at raven.cc.ukans.edu
Subject: RE: Italian Ren and fabric painting?

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Gray, Heather wrote:
> Would you have cites/sources for the examples of block printing on
> fabric?  I would love to see them if  it isn't too much trouble.

> Elwynne

This is the bibliography from I class I do on pattern/design on fabrics,
sort of a good fabric-bad fabric class.  I really can't tell which of
these books show the painted examples, but I know that I mention them in
my handout, so one of these sources was fruitful. Sorry I can't be more
specific.  However, I took pictures of some really wonderful
block-printed linen in the museum in Copenhagen.

Jessamyn di Piemonte
Atlantia

BIBLIOGRAPHY
Christie, Archibald H.  (1929)  Pattern Design:  An Introducation to the=20
Study of Formal Ornament,  2nd Ed..  (1969) NY:  Dover Books

Conran, Terence.  (1957)  Printed Textile Design.  London:  The Studio, Ltd.

Harris, Jennifer (Ed.) (1993)  Textiles:  5,000 Years.  NY:  Harry Abrams

Jaques, Renate and Flemming, Ernst.  (1958)  Encyclopedia of Textiles.
[Decorative Fabrics from Antiquity to the Beginning of the 19th Century,
including the Far East and Peru]  NY:  Frederick A Praeger

Los Angeles, CA  (1966)  Velvets East and West from the 14th to the 20th
Century.  [An exhibition assembled from the collection of the Los Angeles
County Museum of Art Lytton Gallery:  March -May 1966]

Mayer, Christa Charlotte.  (1969)  Masterpieces of Western Textiles from
The Art Institute of Chicago.  Chicago:  The Art Institute of Chicago

Monnas, Lisa.  (1987)  The Artists and Weavers:  The design of woven
silks in Italy 1350-1550.  Appollo, June 1987, 416-424

Riboud, Krishna. (1976)  An Newly Excavated Caftan from the Northern
Caucasus.  Textile Museum Journal, Vol IV, No.3, 21-42

Wilson, Kax.  (1979)  A History of Textiles.  NY: Westview Press

Wearden, Jennifer.  (1985)  Sigmund von Herberstein:  An Italian Velvet
in the Ottoman Court.=D3  Costume, n.19. 22-29

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