Title: Cornwall-msg
Subject: History and culture of Cornwall.
Author: Edited by Mark Harris
Last saved by: Mark S. Harris
Keywords: medieval, Cornwall, England, history, culture, food

Cornwall-msg - 11/21/06

Cornish history and food.

NOTE: See also the files: England-msg, Anglo-Saxons-msg, Europe-msg, London-msg, Wales-msg, Normans-msg.

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From: jliedl at nickel.laurentian.ca
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Help with Cornish persona!!!
Date: 3 Mar 94 12:34:48 -0500
Organization: Laurentian University

Good day, good gentles, from Ancarett Nankivellis

laityna at ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> A month or so ago, I posted for information (Anything! Anything at all!!) on
> Cornwall during period times.
> 
> I would like to play a Cornish persona, but I don't know where to begin!!  If
> anyone can help me, you can post here or E-mail me.
> 
> THANK YOU!!
> 
> Tangwystel vyrgh Gwythenak
> Laityna at ucbeh.san.uc.edu

Excuse my silence of earlier days (I must have been well occupied with 
other matters and heard not your request) and allow me to bid you 
welcome as a fellow countrywoman.  Cornwall or Kernow is a fair and 
godly country, indeed, but one which, sadly, has had little renown 
in these Current Middle Ages or even in historical scholarship as 
a whole.

I have not my full library to hand, but will be happy to post 
some suggestions for you if I but know what era interests you 
the most--there being a wide range of information for later 
Cornwall and a sad dearth of studies on early medieval Kernow.

Ancarett Nankivellis or, in the old tongue, Ancariad Nanscasek
Janice Liedl
Laurentian University, Canada
JLIEDL at NICKEL.LAURENTIAN.CA
wolcum mylwyth yn ow hel!

From: hrjones at uclink.berkeley.edu (Heather Rose Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Help with Cornish persona!!!
Date: 7 Mar 1994 22:57:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

>I would like to play a Cornish persona, but I don't know where to begin!!  If
>anyone can help me, you can post here or E-mail me.
>
>Tangwystel vyrgh Gwythenak
>Laityna at ucbeh.san.uc.edu

The books I have are mostly on the history of the Cornish language, but have
a little bit about other stuff:

"The Cornish Language and its Literature" by P. Berresford Ellis
(Routledge & Kegan Paul, London, 1974)

"Language and History in Cornwall" by Martyn F. Wakelin
(Leicester University Press, 1975; ISBN 0-7185-1124-7)

At one point I picked up a book entitled "Tudor Cornwall" but, having
no immediate use for it, I sold it to Master Talan Gwynek in the Middle.
I don't have any bibliographic information on it now. (But it exists!)

Any particular time period?

Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: wklosky at nitro.mines.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Help with Cornish persona!!!
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 22:15:00 GMT

laityna at ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>A month or so ago, I posted for information (Anything! Anything at all!!) on
>Cornwall during period times.
>
>I would like to play a Cornish persona, but I don't know where to begin!!  If
>anyone can help me, you can post here or E-mail me.
>
>THANK YOU!!
>
>Tangwystel vyrgh Gwythenak
>Laityna at ucbeh.san.uc.edu

Ummm.... this is going to be really lame, but maybe a start for something...
I have a copy of a play called the Life of Meriasak (I think...it's at home,
and I am not), about the life of a Cornish saint. There are a lot of really
good notes in the beginning and very likely a bib to get you started. I will
go home and look it up and post more later...

branwynn ottersby
Caer Galen, the Outlands

From: chanu1lb at ink.ORG (Chanute Public Library)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Help with Cornish persona!!!
Date: 8 Mar 1994 20:43:09 -0500

I don't know if this book is any good, but since it was mentioned :
 
Tudor Cornwall.  A.L. Rowse.  1989  140.00x
  (1-85022-058-1, Pub. by Dyllansow Truran UK)St Mut.
from Books in Print 1993-94, volume 8, titles R-Z
(There are some advantages to reading the Rialto in a library)
 
Katriana
chanu1lb at ink.org
(the return address may say Chanute Public Library, but it's me, Katriana)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:57:26 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 10th C. Cornish?
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

The earliest known examples of written Cornish are from the late 9th
Century, but there isn't any cookbook or recipe collection to my  
knowledge.

12th Century Italy would likely be the Regimen sanitatis de Salerni.  I
don't know of anything else in the time frame.

As a guess, whoever is running the contests is either being cute or clueless
(or both).  If they know of which they speak, it is probably a single text
and possibly a single recipe.

Bear

> We have six:
> 12th Night is always revealed a couple months beforehand - we have to
> translate a recipe and cook it
>
> 3 are straight forward
>
> But the other two have me a bit mystified:
> - anything 10th C. Cornish
> - anything 12th c. Italian
>
> There's a nice amount of later Italian, but I'm not sure about
> recipes from the 1100s.
>
> And Cornish from the 900s? Help!
> -- 
> Urtatim (that's err-tah-TEEM)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:00:12 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 10th C. Cornish?
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Cornish is very tough as it's not that distinctly different in the long run
from English or British. Somehow I don't think that titles like the
*The Poldark cookery book /*
*Author: *Graham, Jean M.; Graham, Winston. *Publication: *[St. Albans]
: Triad Granada, 1981
are going to be of help.

Amazon.uk has a number of in print ones but none I fear are going to
be medieval Cornish. Look under Cornwall and cookery.

16th century I can locate a couple things. By that time you can search
EEBO and there's also material in Harrison. Also --
Carew, Richard, 1555-1620.
Title The survey of Cornwall / by Richard Carew ; edited by John
Chynoweth, Nicholas Orme & Alexandra Walsham.
Publisher/year Exeter : Devon and Cornwall Record Society, 2004.
Physical descr. 1 v. (various pagings) : ill., 1 col. port. ; 24 cm.
Series ( Devon and Cornwall Record Society (Series) ; vol.47)
Bibliography etc. Includes index.

There was a book originally done in the 1890's that concentrated on
Cornish cookery. One of those folklore volumes. It's been reprinted a
few times.

Courtney, Margaret Ann, 1834-1920.
Title Cornish feasts and folk-lore / M.A. Courtney.
Publisher/year Penzance : Oakmagic, 1998.
Physical descr. viii, 208 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
General note
Facsim. of ed. published: Penzance : Beare and Son, 1890.
"Revised and reprinted from the Folk-Lore Society Journals, 1886-87".
Bibliography etc. Includes index. Subject Folklore?England--Cornwall

There are some new books on just Celtic Cornwall?

Filbee, Marjorie. Celtic Cornwall /
London : Constable, 1996.  Physical descr. 224p. : ill.,
ports. ; 22 cm.

But I can't say how much or what they have on food.
Other volumes that could be looked at:

Wood, Jacqui. *Prehistoric Cooking*. Stroud, Gloucestershire, UK and
Charleston, SC: Tempus, 2001. The early Celts left no cookbooks, but a
number of European sites still attempt to recreate the daily life of
prehistoric Europe. This work describes what they ate and drank in
England from non-recipe sources, including archaeological remains. With
?recipes? devised by the author from her experiences recreating the
foods and drinks that might have been eaten.

Alcock, Joan P. *Food in Roman Britain*. Stroud, Gloucestershire, UK and
Charleston, SC: Tempus, 2001. Presents archaeological evidence for what
the Romans ate in Britain. 192 pages with photos.

Banham, Debby. *Food in Anglo-Saxon Britain*. Stroud, Gloucestershire,
UK: Tempus, 2004. There are no surviving Anglo-Saxon cookbooks. This
work describes what they ate and drank in England from non-recipe  
sources.

C. Anne Wilson's Food and Drink in Britain may provide an overview  
for you
and Colin Spencer's British Food may also be interesting.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cup/catalog/data/023113/0231131100.HTM

Johnnae

Lilinah wrote:
> Our new Wooden Spoon minister (West Kingdom cooking competitions) has
> announced the contests for the next year:
> snipped
> - anything 10th C. Cornish
> - anything 12th c. Italian
> There's a nice amount of later Italian, but i'm not sure about
> recipes from the 1100s.
> And Cornish from the 900s? Help!

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:57:35 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 10th C. Cornish?
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

They are talking Cornwall before the Conquest, which is not very related to
Anglo-Saxon England.  It's Brythonic Celt with a language and culture closer
to that of Wales.

Bear

<<< Cornish is very tough as it's not that distinctly different in the long run
from English or British. Somehow I don't think that titles like the
*The Poldark cookery book /*
*Author: *Graham, Jean M.; Graham, Winston. *Publication: *[St. Albans]
: Triad Granada, 1981
are going to be of help.

Amazon.uk has a number of in print ones but none I fear are going to
be medieval Cornish. Look under Cornwall and cookery. >>>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:34:27 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] 10th C. Cornish?
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

But, and this is the reason that I listed them, these books
have bibliographies for those periods and slightly later in the
case of the Roman one. Jacqui Wood's book appears in a couple
of bookstore listings in Cornwall for books on Cornish cookery.
Wood is the founder and director of the Cornwall Celtic Village.
Banham has perhaps the best list of foods and plants for that period
in England, even if this is the Cornish speaking area of the southwest.
There's a single spaced bibliography on pages 87-91.

Johnnae

Terry Decker wrote:
> They are talking Cornwall before the Conquest, which is not very  
> related to Anglo-Saxon England.  It's Brythonic Celt with a language and  
> culture closer to that of Wales.
> Bear

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