gate-guards-msg - 10/10/08
Suggestions on handling gate-guard for SCA events.
NOTE: See also the files: evnt-stewards-msg, event-pricing-msg, privvies-msg, SCAguests-msg, SCA-land-msg, SCA-meetings-msg, tokens-msg, evnt-stwd-cltn-art.
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Subject: RE: ANST - WAS Big Fish-Now Newcomers and Paperwork
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 98 17:16:26 MST
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG'" <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
> already at the point where there is a class on how to do gate at events
> (some call it troll).
Unfortunately, controlling the gate is serious business. Money changes
hands and the Exchequer has a hissy fit if the books don't balance. A few
of us got tired of signing in three different books and when we did an event
got the paperwork down to one page (mundanely most of us were bureaucrats,
so we applied paperwork reduction). The back of each page has the waiver
printed on it. The front has a line for each person signing in with spaces
for all of the pertinent information. In the book, the waiver can be read as
you sign in, so you are effectively handling, waiver, site fee and feast fee
in one pop.
> first time I went to a populace meeting, it was a class on how to
> conduct troll.
> The need to conduct these classes may be real, but can't they risk
> running off new folk who come to a meeting with whatever that
> individual's Middle Ages interest is,
Anyone can handle the above paperwork with about 15 minutes training. Every
half hour or hour, the chief gate guard on duty counts down the money box
and prepares a drop envelope. The count is double checked by one of the
other people on the gate. When both agree, the money is sealed in the
envelope, the amount is written on it and the counters sign it. The money
is then placed in a locked vehicle. When the gate closes, the Exchequer,
Seneschal, Autocrat and Head Gate Guard usually count down the draw
verifying envelope contents against amount on the envelope and matching the
money against totals in the sign in books.
In general, if there is a problem at the gate, you call the Head Gate Guard,
the Autocrat, or the Seneschal. The Head Gate Guard and the people serving
as the chief gate guard on duty may need to know more about how to handle
things, but it is not rocket science. You should be able to run interested
parties through the drill in less than an hour.
> Volstarr
Bear
Subject: ANST - Paperwork and Signin books
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 98 10:43:52 MST
From: Burke McCrory <bmccrory at oktax.state.ok.us>
To: ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG
>> already at the point where there is a class on how to do gate at events
>> (some call it troll).
>>
>Unfortunately, controlling the gate is serious business. Money changes
>hands and the Exchequer has a hissy fit if the books don't balance. A few
>of us got tired of signing in three different books and when we did an event
>got the paperwork down to one page (mundanely most of us were bureaucrats,
>so we applied paperwork reduction). The back of each page has the waiver
>printed on it. The front has a line for each person signing in with spaces
>for all of the pertinent information. In the book, the waiver can be read as
>you sign in, so you are effectively handling, waiver, site fee and feast fee
>in one pop.
The site roster waivers are not allowed to be on the back of the sign-in
sheets. They must be kept separate. The main reason for this is the
waivers are legal documents that may have to be sent in to corporate, that
would also require the sign-in books go with them. Please Do Not put the
waiver on the back of the sign-in book pages. I have no problem with
putting any or all of the rest of the gate information on one page.
Sir Burke Kyriell MacDonald, OP
Kingdom Seneschal for Ansteorra
Subject: RE: ANST - Paperwork and Signin books
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 98 03:25:27 MST
From: "Decker, Terry D." <TerryD at Health.State.OK.US>
To: "'ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG'" <ansteorra at Ansteorra.ORG>
> The site roster waivers are not allowed to be on the back of the sign-in
> sheets. They must be kept separate. The main reason for this is the
> waivers are legal documents that may have to be sent in to corporate, that
> would also require the sign-in books go with them. Please Do Not put the
> waiver on the back of the sign-in book pages. I have no problem with
> putting any or all of the rest of the gate information on one page.
>
> Sir Burke Kyriell MacDonald, OP
> Kingdom Seneschal for Ansteorra
Your call, but copying the filled in pages for the financial record of the
event and sending the sign-in books to corporate meets the current legal
requirements and record needs.
Bear
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:28:39 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] remove vs course
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Years ago I found that "porter" was a close historical description of the
> person in charge of the gate. This title derives from portcullis.
>
> Lyse
Actually, the title derives from the Late Latin "portarius" (gatekeeper or
doorkeeper), who was the guardian of the "porta" (gate or door). The use of
porter in English predates the use of porticullis according to the OED.
Porticullis derives from the Old French (about 1200 CE) "porte coleice,"
literally "sliding gate."
Bear
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:14 -0400
From: Gretchen Beck <grm at andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
--On Monday, April 30, 2007 4:12 PM -0400 Elaine Koogler
<kiridono at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternate title for the person who
> checks people in to an SCA event. Our person uses the term "troll" which
> is beginning to grate on my nerves...almost as badly as
> "feastocrat"...though at least troll is a real word, and one that was
> probably used in period, though not for this purpose.
Why not Porter? According to the OED, the usage dates back to at least 1300
with the definition " 1. a. A gatekeeper, esp. at the entrance of a
fortified town or castle; a doorkeeper; (now) esp. an employee in charge of
the entrance of a hotel, block of flats, college, or other large
building."
toodles, margaret
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:17:44 -0500
From: Ysabeau <lady.ysabeau at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
I just typed an email and found myself wondering the same thing...so I
just called that person "gatekeeper". We call it the gate in Ansteorra
(having managed to do away with troll), so they would be gatekeeper,
right?
Ysabeau
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:34:54 -0400
From: Johnna Holloway <johnna at sitka.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Account keepers at colleges were bursars. it goes along with butlers and
stewards.
Johnnae
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:48:18 +1200
From: Adele de Maisieres <ladyadele at paradise.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Why not Porter?
I like that. It fits in well with "cook" and "steward". Another
possibility might be Gate Warden.
--
Adele de Maisieres
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:54:35 EDT
From: Bronwynmgn at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org
I believe that the period term for the person in charge of access to the
gate of a keep or monastery was "porter". Unfortunately, at least in the East,
that term has been designated for the Kingdom level officer in charge of
helping with access for those with disabilities, so it's not really available.
How about gatekeeper for the person and gate for the place? It's better than
troll, and what I am trying to teach myself to use.
Brangwayna
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:25:30 -0500
From: "Terry Decker" <t.d.decker at worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
Gatekeeper works fine. You might try the Latin term "portarius," although
for our purposes "warder" is probably a better choice with the person in
charge being the "Warden of the Gate." Just for fun, a porter at a
religious institution might also be referred to as "ostiary."
Bear
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:18:28 -0400
From: Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise <jenne at fiedlerfamily.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Alternate title
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>
> I know we discussed this in the past, but I didn't keep the message. Does
> anyone have any suggestions for an alternate title for the person
> who checks people in to an SCA event.
Registrar.
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-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne at fiedlerfamily.net
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