SCA-War-Xcuse-msg - 4/6/09

Interesting excuses given for SCA Wars.

NOTE: See also the files: SCA-hist1-msg, border-stories-msg, Hst-SCA-Fence-art, SCA-stories1-msg, GW-history-msg, Hist-of-Birka-art, Estrella-msg.

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:12:03 -0400
From: "Elaine Koogler" <kiridono at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Potrero War Welcome Potluck
To: "Cooks within the SCA" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

Our Barony and our neighbors in Storvik had a war one
year...it was kind of silly, but lots of fun.  The point of dissension was
the fact that a town called Upper Marlboro was in their Barony and Lower
Marlboro was in ours.  We claimed that they should cede Upper  
Marlboro so we could reunite the two Marlboros!  Very silly.

Kiri

Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:18:33 -0400
From: ranvaig at columbus.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Potrero War Welcome Potluck
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

> Our Barony and our neighbors in Storvik had a war one
> year...it was kind of silly, but lots of fun.  The point of dissension was
> the fact that a town called Upper Marlboro was in their Barony and Lower
> Marlboro was in ours.  We claimed that they should cede Upper  
> Marlboro so we could reunite the two Marlboros!  Very silly.

No silly than the struggle that started Pennsic..  between the East  
and the Middle to decide which kingdom that Pittsburgh was in.. the  
loosing side got Pittsburgh.  Or so I have been told.

Ranvaig

Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:56:15 -0400
From: "Cassandra Baldassano" <euriol at ptd.net>
Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] Potrero War Welcome Potluck
To: "'Cooks within the SCA'" <sca-cooks at lists.ansteorra.org>

That the losing side got Pittsburgh (Barony Marche of the Debatable  
Lands) seems to lend credence to the name of the group. :)

When I was out West the Province of Southern Shores and the Shire of Esfenn
had a similar (much smaller scaled) war over Milipitas. So the losing  
side was to get the SCA corporate office.

Euriol of Lothian, OP
Minister of Arts & Sciences, Barony of Endless Hills
Clerk, Order of the Pelican, Kingdom of ?thelmearc

Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:53:41 -0500
From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous at austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] silly reasons for SCA wars
To: SCA-Cooks maillist SCA-Cooks <SCA-Cooks at Ansteorra.org>

> Sorry...my bad.  Our Barony and our neighbors in Storvik had a war one
> year...it was kind of silly, but lots of fun.  The point of dissension was
> the fact that a town called Upper Marlboro was in their Barony and Lower
> Marlboro was in ours.  We claimed that they should cede Upper Marlboro so we
> could reunite the two Marlboros!  Very silly.

No silly than the struggle that started Pennsic..  between the East
and the Middle to decide which kingdom that Pittsburgh was in.. the
loosing side got Pittsburgh.  Or so I have been told.

Ranvaig >>>

Yes, that is one of the stories which has grown up around Pennsic.
Even Master Cariadoc gives two different stories. The real one, and
the one that makes the better story. You can find both of them in the
Florilegium, although right now I can't remember whether they are in
the Pennsic history file, the Pennsic stories file or one of the SCA
story files.

Unfortunately, no matter what precautions you take to come up with a
silly reason for a war, someone is likely to forget it is just in fun
and get too serious about it. Just after I joined the SCA, about 18
or 19 years ago, there was a war between the Barony of Bryn Gwlad and
the Barony of the Steppes in Ansteorra over mustaches, called the
Mustache War. The creators of this war chose that since they figured
no one would take it seriously and forget it was in fun. From a
recent message on this war from the guy who was baron at that time:
"It was originally about Don Blayne's mustache, ya know. He had that
magnificent handlebar that Robin said infringed on his badge. My
having a respectable mustache was just icing on the cake, and Robin
expanded his "attack" to include all the mustaches of Bryn Gwlad.
(And yes, the exchange mentioned below did happen at least once after
war had become inevitable, although I doubt anyone remembers the
actual words used. But this is close enough.)

CC cookies weren't only the prize -- winner take all although we
shared with the losers of course -- but also the coin of choice for
hiring mercenaries. Bryn Gwlad had barrels of them. Literally barrels."

Unfortunately, one of the cadets had a Don who lived in the other
barony and decided to fight with his Don rather than with his barony.
A lot of people got upset and turned against this individual and a
number of nasty things were said and accusations thrown around about
loyalty and such.

But then it seems I've heard a lot of accusations thrown around about
loyalty and such in regards to the fiasco in Iraq in the last couple
of years as well, so I guess no matter what silly reason you come up
with for a war it is likely to lead to accusations of lying and lack
of loyalty and bitter feelings.

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas

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